From hbrock at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 11:44:33 2022
From: hbrock at redhat.com (Hugh Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 13:44:33 +0200
Subject: [Openinfralabs] Rebuilding the core discussion
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So much for "before August" LOL.

Seriously though what do we do next?

--Hugh

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 5:57 PM Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 12:55 PM Hugh Brock <hbrock at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for doing this Karsten.
>>
>> Do we need to reconvene at some point, maybe around a deadline for the
>> first draft of your doc? I'm keen to get this moving in the right direction.
>>
>
> I absolutely agree that we need to do so, but we've got ~1-2 week lag in
> being able to cycle between emails and distinctly different topics. At
> least, that is in my case. :)
>
> I originally wanted to try and make progress "before august" in order to
> hopefully make a splash in advance of the PTG. Perhaps we might still be
> able to, but I think we need to get some traction to increase velocity of
> interaction in the next week or so.
>
> -J
>
>
>> Take care,
>> --Hugh
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 7:20 PM Karsten Wade <kwade at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Julia for starting this discussion about getting involved in a
>>> reset and what to do next. And I appreciate your patience as people (like
>>> me!) get my head together and into this discussion (eventually) around
>>> important change management, here in the middle of atypically busy months.
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I haven't posted much (at all?) to this mailing list, I'm one of the
>>> "few of us" Julia refers to below. I'm the community architect for the
>>> Operate First project ? meaning my role is to lead the design and
>>> implementation of a plan to create and scale Open Source communities ? as
>>> well as the co-Chair of the Operate First Community Special Interest Group
>>> (SIG). I have a vested interest in having a defined mission and governance
>>> for Open Infra Labs as a project within the Labs.
>>>
>>> From later in this thread, I agree about beginning work in our GitHub
>>> repository as the commons where we can draw the most brains and hands
>>> (today).
>>>
>>> tl;dr of below:
>>> 1. I propose a three step process to write the vision and mission,
>>> including lots of time for feedback
>>> 2. To kick it off, I made this PR:
>>> https://github.com/open-infrastructure-labs/openinfralabs-website/pull/13
>>>     - Under the "FIles Changed" section (
>>> https://github.com/open-infrastructure-labs/openinfralabs-website/pull/13/files
>>> ) you can make line-by-line comments by clicking the + sign next to the
>>> line number, and you can use the [+-] button to suggest specific changes.
>>> 3. That's it!
>>>
>>> Some comments/questions inline below:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 1:26 PM Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Greetings everyone,
>>> >
>>> > During our recent Open Infrastructure Summit in Berlin, one of the
>>> > repeated discussion topics I found myself engaged in suggested a
>>> > breakdown in shared context and communication within OpenInfra Labs. A
>>> > bit of a root cause analysis occurred, and each discussion quickly
>>> > determined there is definitely no fault, but more a result of the
>>> > state of engagement which collided against the pandemic. Further
>>> > compounded by the time schedule differences which run our various
>>> > lives and efforts. It did not help us that we did not use the same
>>> > words to begin with.
>>>
>>> In our discussions in Berlin and beyond, I think I've characterized it
>>> as something to the effect of,
>>>
>>> "We never finished getting alignment before everyone's attention turned
>>> to the pandemic. When we drew our attention back out to work on these
>>> problems, we saw other people seemed to be out of alignment and on their
>>> own paths. Then each of us (person or group) forked just a bit more in
>>> chasing our version of the mission while seeing each other as out of
>>> alignment with our own vision."
>>>
>>> > A few of us have continued going back and forth over the last few
>>> > weeks and we've reached the conclusion we need to rebuild the core
>>> > consensus and discussion. Ultimately a revision of our mission and
>>> > long term vision, in order to better support the sharing of knowledge
>>> > and context which is fundamentally needed to support the efforts
>>> > occurring within OpenInfra Labs.
>>> >
>>> > Before we really continue onward in these discussions, I think it is
>>> > important for us to widen the audience of engagement and enable a
>>> > greater chorus of voices to engage as we sort of press the reset
>>> > button in order to set expectations, intents, and bring us all back to
>>> > a happier, engaged place. In recognition that no single tool or means
>>> > will work for everyone, *and* to help provide insight for those that
>>> > don't necessarily subscribe to mailing lists or whom are unable to
>>> > join our discussions now, the idea has been floated to write about it.
>>> > Such as a blog or a journal. To share our story. To share the stories.
>>> > To spread the knowledge!
>>> >
>>> > I think we should start with high bandwidth calls to reach the same
>>> > page, and then move forward from there.
>>> >
>>> > If you're interested in engaging in this discussion, please reply with
>>> > to this email with the days of the week and times that would work, or
>>> > that would not work, and I'll try to find a mutually agreeable 30
>>> > minute window every two weeks for us to start with.
>>>
>>> OK, so I agree with this and Julia's later sentiment about getting
>>> things started in a git repo.
>>>
>>> Let's work on these in parallel, how about this as a process:
>>>
>>> 1. If you want to be part of the discussion right now, let's work on
>>> this document together:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/open-infrastructure-labs/openinfralabs-website/pull/13
>>>
>>> That is a straw-draft, meaning it's something we can build a "discussion
>>> draft" from.
>>>
>>> 2. Next opportunity is helping build the discussion draft. You can
>>> continue from straw-draft work or join in for that round of
>>> writing-and-editing.
>>>
>>> We'll have time in between each step for broad, general feedback.
>>>
>>> 3. The discussion draft is what we take to the wider OpenInfrastructure
>>> community for feedback.
>>>
>>> That is three wide rounds of feedback, at least. We can slow down and
>>> add more, if needed.
>>>
>>> Some of that work can occur in live, high-bandwidth meetings. We also
>>> need to commit to coming back and keeping this list well informed.
>>>
>>> Your participation in this is very, very welcome, whenever you arrive
>>> into the process. Even when we are "finished" and moving on, we need to
>>> really understand our vision and mission as living documents. Maybe we want
>>> to have regular review and refresh stages every few years, for example?
>>> Just to keep things from getting stale and forgotten.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> - Karsten
>>>
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > -Julia
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> > https://lists.opendev.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openinfralabs
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Red Hat Open Source Program Office (OSPO) : @redhatopen
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *Hugh Brock*
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>> Director, Red Hat Research <http://research.redhat.com>
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>> not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." --Robert
>> McCloskey
>>
>

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From amy at demarco.com  Fri Sep 30 17:09:16 2022
From: amy at demarco.com (Amy Marrich)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 12:09:16 -0500
Subject: [Openinfralabs] [Diversity] Diversity and Inclusion WG meeting
 reminder
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The D&I WG will be meeting Monday at 15:00 UTC. ? The meeting will be held
on video at  https://meetpad.opendev.org/osf-diversity-and-inclusion and
the agenda can be found at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity
-wg-agenda.

Thanks,

Amy (spotz)
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