<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><font size="4" class="">Hi,</font><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Glad to meet you all here! I’m learning firecracker design and code these days, it’s really a great work.</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""> I have some questions about the memory model and virtio subsystems.</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1) </font><span style="font-size: large;" class="">Currently the memory_model subsystem is designed for specific scenarios, is it possible to extend the memory_model to support</span></div><div class=""><font size="4" class="">more scenarios, such as memfd based mapping and memory subregions with different permission properties?</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2) Do you have any plan to support vhost-user VirtIO drivers?</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3) Is it possible to customize KVM kernel module for serverless usage cases?</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class="">Thanks,</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class="">Gerry</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 18, 2018, at 11:31 PM, Florescu, Andreea <<a href="mailto:fandree@amazon.com" class="">fandree@amazon.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">Hi,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">I also started a "research" so to say about what crates we can share. I am working on a proposal and should have something ready in a few days.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">For the device models, I think a better approach would be to also include virtio devices, but export each of them individually using rust features (like we are currently doing in Firecracker with the vsock device).</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">One question I have is where would we host the crates? An organization on GitHub with all these crates would be super cool. Something like "rust-vmm" maybe?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="">Andreea<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; width: 707.546875px;" class=""><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Liguori, Anthony <<a href="mailto:aliguori@amazon.com" class="">aliguori@amazon.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, December 18, 2018 1:30 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rust-vmm@lists.opendev.org" class="">rust-vmm@lists.opendev.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[UNVERIFIED SENDER] [Rust-vmm] Goals for this list</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Hi!<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Very excited about this list and eager to begin discussions. I wanted to start with what I see as the low hanging fruit and I what I see as the goal of this effort.<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">I'd like to build a set of crates, preferrably with a common name, that make it really easy to write VMMs in Rust. I think Rust is an ideal language for building VMMs and that if the right primitives are there, a lot of interesting VMMs will emerge.<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Some ideas I have for what would make good core creates:<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">1) KVM bindgen bindings. Right now, there is an issue with bindgen misgenerating code when encountering empty trailing arrays which are used in KVM. Both crosvm and Firecracker get around this by modifying the headers by hand and then committing the results of bindgen. Dylan also mentioned that they were unhappy about bindgen performance but this seems like an eventual optimization to me.<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">As a side note, I think having OS X hypervisor framework bindings and whatever the new Windows thing is would be pretty cool. Maybe there's room for a wrapper around the three but it's not something that interesting to me in the near term.<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">2) The crosvm data_model crate. This one is super critical but easy to misunderstand as it allows for safe access to volatile memory. Somewhat related is the mmap() bits from sys_util. Not sure how the crosvm folks feel but I think there is some refactoring here that could be useful to build a memory crate.<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">3) Some traits for device model implementations. It's easy to really bike shed here so I reckon it's best to start with a concrete device model like a UART, work through what is required for interfaces, and then iterate from there.<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">4) Common device models with only a single implementation (i.e. 16650A). Not sure about virtio, maybe.<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Curious what other people think here too. 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