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Re: [Edge-computing] [openstack-dev] [tripleo][FEMDC] IEEE Fog Computing: Call for Contributions - Deadline Approaching
by Bogdan Dobrelya 16 Nov '18

16 Nov '18

Hi folks. The deadline for papers seems to be extended till Nov 17, so that's a great news! I finished drafting the position paper [0],[1]. Please /proof read and review. There is also open questions placed there and it would be really nice to have a co-author here for any of those items remaining... I'm also looking for some help with... **uploading PDF** to EDAS system! :) It throws on me: pdf notstampable The PDF file is not compliant with PDF standards and cannot be stamped (see FAQ)... And FAQ says: > "First, try using the most current version of dvipdf for LaTeX or the most current version of Word. You can also distill the file by using Acrobat (Pro, not Acrobat Reader): > * Open the PDF file in Acrobat Pro; > * Go to the File Menu > Save As or File > Export To... (in Adobe DC Pro) or File > Save As Other... > More Options > Postscript (in Adobe Pro version 11) > * Give the file a new name (do not overwrite the original file); > * Under "Save As Type", choose "PostScript File (*.ps)" > * Open Distiller and browse for this file or go to the directory where the file exists and double click on the file - this will open and run Distiller and regenerate the PDF file. > > If you do not have Acrobat Pro, you can also try to save the PostScript version via Apple Preview, using the "Print..." menu and the "PDF v" selector in the lower left hand corner to pick "Save as PostScript...". Unfortunately, Apple Preview saves PDF files as version 1.3, which is not acceptable to PDF Xpress, but tools such as docupub appear to produce compliant PDF." I have yet tried those MS word/adobe pro and distutils dances ( I think I should try that as well... ), but neither docupub [2] nor dvipdf(m) for LaTeX helped to produce a pdf edas can eat :-( [0] https://github.com/bogdando/papers-ieee/blob/master/ICFC-2019/LaTeX/positio… [1] https://github.com/bogdando/papers-ieee/blob/master/ICFC-2019/LaTeX/positio… [2] https://docupub.com/pdfconvert/ > Folks, I have drafted a few more sections [0] for your /proof reading > and kind review please. Also left some notes for TBD things, either for > the potential co-authors' attention or myself :) > > [0] > https://github.com/bogdando/papers-ieee/blob/master/ICFC-2019/LaTeX/positio… -- Best regards, Bogdan Dobrelya, Irc #bogdando

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IEEE Fog Computing: Call for Contributions - Deadline Approaching
by Flavia Delicato 06 Nov '18

06 Nov '18

================================================================================= IEEE International Conference on Fog Computing (ICFC 2019) June 24-26, 2019 Prague, Czech Republic http://conferences.computer.org/ICFC/2019/ Co-located with the IEEE International Conference on Cloud Engineering (IC2E 2019) ================================================================================== Important Dates --------------- Paper registration and abstract: Nov 1st, 2018 Full paper submission due: Nov 8th, 2018 Notification of paper acceptance: Jan. 20th, 2019 Workshop and tutorial proposals due: Nov 11, 2018 Notification of proposal acceptance: Nov 18, 2018 Call for Contributions ---------------------- Fog computing is the extension of cloud computing into its edge and the physical world to meet the data volume and decision velocity requirements in many emerging applications, such as augmented and virtual realities (AR/VR), cyber-physical systems (CPS), intelligent and autonomous systems, and mission-critical systems. The boundary between centralized, powerful computing cloud and massively distributed, Internet connected sensors, actuators, and things is blurred in this new computing paradigm. The ICFC 2019 technical program will feature tutorials, workshops, and research paper sessions. We solicit high-quality contributions in the above categories. Details of submission is available on the conference Web site. Topics of interest include but are not limited to: * System architecture for fog computing * Coordination between cloud, fog, and sensing/actuation endpoints * Connectivity, storage, and computation in the edge * Data processing and management for fog computing * Efficient and embedded AI in the fog * System and network manageability * Middleware and coordination platforms * Power, energy, and resource management * Device and hardware support for fog computing * Programming models, abstractions, and software engineering for fog computing * Security, privacy, and ethics issues related to fog computing * Theoretical foundations and formal methods for fog computing systems * Applications and experiences Organizing Committee -------------------- General Chairs: Hui Lei, IBM Albert Zomaya, The University of Sydney PC Co-chairs: Erol Gelenbe, Imperial College London Jie Liu, Microsoft Research Tutorials and Workshops Chair: David Bermbach, TU Berlin Publicity Co-chairs: Flavia Delicato,Federal University of Rio de Janeiro Mathias Fischer, University Hamburg Publication Chair Javid Taheri, Karlstad University Webmaster Wei Li, The University of Sydney Steering Committee ------------------ Mung Chiang, Purdue University Erol Gelenbe, Imperial College London Christos Kozarakis, Stanford University Hui Lei, IBM Chenyang Lu, Washington University in St Louis Beng Chin Ooi, National University of Singapore Neeraj Suri, TU Darmstadt Albert Zomaya, The University of Sydney Program Committee ------------------ Tarek Abdelzaher, UIUC Anne Benoit, ENS Lyon David Bermbach, TU Berlin Bharat Bhargava, Purdue University Olivier Brun, LAAS/CNRS Laboratory Jiannong Cao, Hong Kong Polytech Flavia C. Delicato, UFRJ, Brazil Xiaotie Deng, Peking University, China Schahram Dustdar, TU Wien, Germany Maria Gorlatova, Duke University Dharanipragada Janakiram, IIT Madras Wenjing Luo, Virginia Tech Pedro José Marrón, Universität Duisburg-Essen Geyong Min, University of Exeter Suman Nath, Microsoft Research Vincenzo Piuri, Universita Degli Studi Di Milano Yong Meng Teo, National University of Singapore Guoliang Xing, Chinese University of Hong Kong Yuanyuan Yang, SUNY Stony Brook Xiaoyun Zhu, Cloudera -- Flávia Delicato Associate Professor Federal University of Rio de Janeiro ---

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Re: [Edge-computing] Meeting this week ? Tues Nov. 6 ?
by Waines, Greg 05 Nov '18

05 Nov '18

Ildiko, I’ve missed the last couple of meetings. Is there a meeting planned for tomorrow (Tues Nov. 6 ... 10am EST ) ? ( The next meeting on the wiki is still saying Thursday Nov. 1 ) Let us know, Greg. From: Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko(a)openstack.org> Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 3:38 PM To: edge-computing <edge-computing(a)lists.openstack.org> Subject: [Edge-computing] Announcing the First Release of StarlingX, an open source edge computing platform Hi, You may have heard, StarlingX[1] is a new independent, top-level, open source pilot project that's supported by the OpenStack Foundation. StarlingX joins other pilot projects hosted at OpenStack Foundation[2], including Airship, Kata Containers and Zuul. Today the first release of StarlingX is here! We invite you to participate in getting the word out that the release is ready and that we’re eager to welcome more contributors to this project. Learn more about it: • Read more about the project at starlingx.io • Listen to a recording of the onboarding webinar[3] • On-boarding slide deck[4] • Overview document[5] Some things you can share: • A blog on starlingx.io[6] • Social sharing: Announcements on Twitter[7] Want to get involved in the community? • Mailing Lists[8] • Weekly Calls[9] • Freenode IRC: #starlingx channel[10] Ready to dive into the code? • You can get download the first release at git.starlingx.io • StarlingX Install Guide[11] • StarlingX Developer Guide[12] If you’re at the Berlin Summit November 13-15[13]: Tuesday 11/13 • StarlingX – Project update – 6 months in the life of a new Open Source project with Brent Rowsell & Dean Troyer • StarlingX CI, from zero to Zuul with Hazzim Anaya & Elio Martinez Wednesday 11/14 • Keynote spotlight on the main stage with Ian Jolliffe & Dean Troyer • MVP (Minimum Viable Product) architecture for edge - Forum session • "Ask Me Anything" about StarlingX - Forum session • StarlingX Enhancements for Edge Networking presentation with Kailun Qin, Ruijing Guo & Dan Chen • Project Onboarding session with Greg Waines • Integrating IOT Device Management with the Edge Cloud - Forum session Thursday 11/15 • Containerized Applications' Requirements on Kubernetes Cluster at the Edge - Forum session Check out the materials to learn about the project, try out the software and join the community! We hope to see many of you in Berlin! Ildikó [1] https://www.starlingx.io/ [2] https://www.openstack.org/foundation/ [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9uwGnKD6tM&t=232s [4] https://www.starlingx.io/collateral/StarlingX-Onboarding-Deck-Web.pdf [5] https://www.starlingx.io/collateral/StarlingX_OnePager_Web-102318pdf/ [6] https://www.starlingx.io/blog/starlingx-initial-release.html [7] https://twitter.com/starlingx [8] http://lists.starlingx.io/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo [9] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Starlingx/Meetings [10] https://freenode.net/ [11] https://docs.starlingx.io/installation_guide/index.html [12] https://docs.starlingx.io/developer_guide/index.html [13] https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018 _______________________________________________ Edge-computing mailing list Edge-computing(a)lists.openstack.org<mailto:Edge-computing@lists.openstack.org> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/edge-computing

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Weekly call at APAC time slot
by Ildiko Vancsa 29 Oct '18

29 Oct '18

Hi, It is a friendly reminder that we will have our weekly call in the APAC time slot this week, which is __Thursday at 0700 UTC__. For agenda and dial-in info please see the wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Edge_Computing_Group#Meetings Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks and Best Regards, Ildikó

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Announcing the First Release of StarlingX, an open source edge computing platform
by Ildiko Vancsa 24 Oct '18

24 Oct '18

Hi, You may have heard, StarlingX[1] is a new independent, top-level, open source pilot project that's supported by the OpenStack Foundation. StarlingX joins other pilot projects hosted at OpenStack Foundation[2], including Airship, Kata Containers and Zuul. Today the first release of StarlingX is here! We invite you to participate in getting the word out that the release is ready and that we’re eager to welcome more contributors to this project. Learn more about it: • Read more about the project at starlingx.io • Listen to a recording of the onboarding webinar[3] • On-boarding slide deck[4] • Overview document[5] Some things you can share: • A blog on starlingx.io[6] • Social sharing: Announcements on Twitter[7] Want to get involved in the community? • Mailing Lists[8] • Weekly Calls[9] • Freenode IRC: #starlingx channel[10] Ready to dive into the code? • You can get download the first release at git.starlingx.io • StarlingX Install Guide[11] • StarlingX Developer Guide[12] If you’re at the Berlin Summit November 13-15[13]: Tuesday 11/13 • StarlingX – Project update – 6 months in the life of a new Open Source project with Brent Rowsell & Dean Troyer • StarlingX CI, from zero to Zuul with Hazzim Anaya & Elio Martinez Wednesday 11/14 • Keynote spotlight on the main stage with Ian Jolliffe & Dean Troyer • MVP (Minimum Viable Product) architecture for edge - Forum session • "Ask Me Anything" about StarlingX - Forum session • StarlingX Enhancements for Edge Networking presentation with Kailun Qin, Ruijing Guo & Dan Chen • Project Onboarding session with Greg Waines • Integrating IOT Device Management with the Edge Cloud - Forum session Thursday 11/15 • Containerized Applications' Requirements on Kubernetes Cluster at the Edge - Forum session Check out the materials to learn about the project, try out the software and join the community! We hope to see many of you in Berlin! Ildikó [1] https://www.starlingx.io/ [2] https://www.openstack.org/foundation/ [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9uwGnKD6tM&t=232s [4] https://www.starlingx.io/collateral/StarlingX-Onboarding-Deck-Web.pdf [5] https://www.starlingx.io/collateral/StarlingX_OnePager_Web-102318pdf/ [6] https://www.starlingx.io/blog/starlingx-initial-release.html [7] https://twitter.com/starlingx [8] http://lists.starlingx.io/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo [9] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Starlingx/Meetings [10] https://freenode.net/ [11] https://docs.starlingx.io/installation_guide/index.html [12] https://docs.starlingx.io/developer_guide/index.html [13] https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018

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Re: [Edge-computing] [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [FEMDC] [Edge] [tripleo] On the use of terms "Edge" and "Far Edge" (Teresa Peluso)
by Matt Trifiro 24 Oct '18

24 Oct '18

Teresa Peluso <tpeluso(a)equinix.com> wrote: Fyi – could this help? https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/2018/06/edge-computing-just-got-its- rosetta-stone/ https://imasons.org/ starting to host workshops about this as well https://imasons.org/events/2018-im-edge-congress/ I am the Chair of the Open Glossary of Edge Computing, the Linux Foundation project mentioned in the blog post. I would be happy to invite an OpenStack nominee onto our TSC. We seek to harmonize and define the various flavors of edge, and OpenStack is doing interesting work and I'd like to see the communities collaborate. I am also part of the iMasosn effort. m On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 8:39 AM <edge-computing-request(a)lists.openstack.org> wrote: > Send Edge-computing mailing list submissions to > edge-computing(a)lists.openstack.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/edge-computing > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > edge-computing-request(a)lists.openstack.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > edge-computing-owner(a)lists.openstack.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Edge-computing digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [FEMDC] [Edge] [tripleo] > On the use of terms "Edge" and "Far Edge" (Teresa Peluso) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:38:33 +0000 > From: Teresa Peluso <tpeluso(a)equinix.com> > To: "Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest)" > <gergely.csatari(a)nokia.com>, "OpenStack Development Mailing List > (not > for usage questions)" <openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org>, > "fulton(a)redhat.com" <fulton(a)redhat.com>, > "edge-computing(a)lists.openstack.org" > <edge-computing(a)lists.openstack.org> > Cc: "openstack-sigs(a)lists.openstack.org" > <openstack-sigs(a)lists.openstack.org> > Subject: Re: [Edge-computing] [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [FEMDC] > [Edge] [tripleo] On the use of terms "Edge" and "Far Edge" > Message-ID: > < > BY1PR0401MB1350FCABDEF1BF76C8917285A6F90(a)BY1PR0401MB1350.namprd04.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Fyi – could this help? > https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/2018/06/edge-computing-just-got-its-ro… > > https://imasons.org/ starting to host workshops about this as well > https://imasons.org/events/2018-im-edge-congress/ > > From: Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest) <gergely.csatari(a)nokia.com> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 1:05 AM > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) < > openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org>; fulton(a)redhat.com; > edge-computing(a)lists.openstack.org > Cc: openstack-sigs(a)lists.openstack.org > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Edge-computing] [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] > [FEMDC] [Edge] [tripleo] On the use of terms "Edge" and "Far Edge" > > Hi, > > I’m adding the ECG mailing list to the discussion. > > I think the root of the problem is that there is no single definition of > „the edge” (except for [1< > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_…>]), > but it changes from group to group or use case to use case. What I > recognise as the commonalities in these edge definitions, are 1) a > distributed cloud infrastructure (kind of a cloud of clouds) 2) need for > automation or everything 3) resource constraints for the control plane. > > The different edge variants are putting different emphasis on these common > needs based ont he use case discussed. > > To have a more clear understanding of these definitions we could try the > following: > > 1. Always add the definition of these to the given context > 2. Check what other groups are using and adopt to that > 3. Define our own language and expect everyone else to adopt > > Br, > Gerg0 > > > > [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Edge< > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_… > > > > From: Jim Rollenhagen <jim(a)jimrollenhagen.com<mailto: > jim(a)jimrollenhagen.com>> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:43 PM > To: fulton(a)redhat.com<mailto:fulton@redhat.com>; OpenStack Development > Mailing List (not for usage questions) <openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org > <mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>> > Cc: openstack-sigs(a)lists.openstack.org<mailto: > openstack-sigs(a)lists.openstack.org> > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [FEMDC] [Edge] [tripleo] On > the use of terms "Edge" and "Far Edge" > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 4:45 PM John Fulton <johfulto(a)redhat.com<mailto: > johfulto(a)redhat.com>> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:56 AM Jim Rollenhagen <jim(a)jimrollenhagen.com > <mailto:jim@jimrollenhagen.com>> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:23 AM Dmitry Tantsur <dtantsur(a)redhat.com > <mailto:dtantsur@redhat.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Sorry for chiming in really late in this topic, but I think $subj is > worth > >> discussing until we settle harder on the potentially confusing > terminology. > >> > >> I think the difference between "Edge" and "Far Edge" is too vague to > use these > >> terms in practice. Think about the "edge" metaphor itself: something > rarely has > >> several layers of edges. A knife has an edge, there are no far edges. I > imagine > >> zooming in and seeing more edges at the edge, and then it's quite cool > indeed, > >> but is it really a useful metaphor for those who never used a strong > microscope? :) > >> > >> I think in the trivial sense "Far Edge" is a tautology, and should be > avoided. > >> As a weak proof of my words, I already see a lot of smart people > confusing these > >> two and actually use Central/Edge where they mean Edge/Far Edge. I > suggest we > >> adopt a different terminology, even if it less consistent with typical > marketing > >> term around the "Edge" movement. > > > > > > FWIW, we created rough definitions of "edge" and "far edge" during the > edge WG session in Denver. > > It's mostly based on latency to the end user, though we also talked > about quantities of compute resources, if someone can find the pictures. > > Perhaps these are the pictures Jim was referring to? > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/255x1cao14taer3/MVP-Architecture_edge-computing_P… > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_s_255x… > > > > That's it, thank you! > > // jim > > > > I'm involved in some TripleO work called the split control plane: > > https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/tripleo-specs/specs/rocky/split-contr… > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__specs.openstack.org_op… > > > > After the PTG I saw that the split control plane was compatible with > the type of deployment discussed at the edge WG session in Denver and > described the compatibility at: > > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-edge-working-group-split-control-p… > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__etherpad.openstack.org… > > > > > See the picture and table here: > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Edge_Computing_Group/Edge_Reference_Archite… > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.openstack.org_wik… > > > > > >> Now, I don't have really great suggestions. Something that came up in > TripleO > >> discussions [1] is Core/Hub/Edge, which I think reflects the idea > better. > > > > > > I'm also fine with these names, as they do describe the concepts well. :) > > > > // jim > > I'm fine with these terms too. In split control plane there's a > deployment method for deploying a central site and then deploying > remote sites independently. That deployment method could be used to > deploy Core/Hub/Edge sites too. E.g. deploy the Core using Heat stack > N. Deploy a Hub using stack N+1 and then deploy an Edge using stack > N+2 etc. > > John > > >> > >> I'd be very interested to hear your ideas. > >> > >> Dmitry > >> > >> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-edge-mvp< > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__etherpad.openstack.org… > > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> openstack-sigs mailing list > >> openstack-sigs(a)lists.openstack.org<mailto: > openstack-sigs(a)lists.openstack.org> > >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-sigs< > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.openstack.org_cgi… > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > Unsubscribe: > OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe< > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__OpenStack-2Ddev-2Dreque… > > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev< > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.openstack.org_cgi… > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__OpenStack-2Ddev-2Dreque… > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev< > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.openstack.org_cgi… > > >

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Invitation: Edge Computing - Use Case Meeting @ Weekly from 8 PM to PAM on Monday (EST) (edge-computing@lists.openstack.org)
by beth.cohen＠verizon.com 23 Oct '18

23 Oct '18

Folks - Join us as we work through the details of the edge use cases. This is the EMEA friendly time. It will alternate with the APAC friendly time. Monday 8AM EST - EMEA and US Monday 8PM EST - APAC and US * https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Edge_Computing_Group/Use_Cases * https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/edge-use-case Weekly calls on Mondays at 1pm PDT / 2000 UTC Zoom link: https://zoom.us/j/879678938 Dialing in from phone: Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 669 900 6833 or +1 646 876 9923 Meeting ID: 879 678 938 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/ed95sU7aQ

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Invitation: Edge Computing - Use Case Meeting @ Weekly from 8 AM to 9AM on Monday (EST) (edge-computing@lists.openstack.org)
by beth.cohen＠verizon.com 23 Oct '18

23 Oct '18

Folks - Join us as we work through the details of the edge use cases. This is the APAC friendly time. It will alternate with the EMEA friendly time. Monday 8AM EST - EMEA and US Monday 8PM EST - APAC and US * https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Edge_Computing_Group/Use_Cases * https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/edge-use-case Weekly calls on Mondays at 1pm PDT / 2000 UTC Zoom link: https://zoom.us/j/879678938 Dialing in from phone: Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 669 900 6833 or +1 646 876 9923 Meeting ID: 879 678 938 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/ed95sU7aQ

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Reminder, October 24 StarlingX On-Boarding Webinar
by Ildiko Vancsa 23 Oct '18

23 Oct '18

Hi, I would like to remind you to the upcoming OpenStack Foundation Community Meeting[1] where we will focus on the StarlingX project and edge computing as the first release of the project is quickly approaching. Please join the call to get an overview about the project, learn more about the technology and ways to get involved with the community on *October 24 at 8:00am PDT* on the following link: https://zoom.us/j/112003649 We also invite you to follow @StarlingX on Twitter for announcements and news moving forward. Thanks, Ildikó

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Re: [Edge-computing] [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [FEMDC] [Edge] [tripleo] On the use of terms "Edge" and "Far Edge"
by Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest) 23 Oct '18

23 Oct '18

Hi, I’m adding the ECG mailing list to the discussion. I think the root of the problem is that there is no single definition of „the edge” (except for [1<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Edge>]), but it changes from group to group or use case to use case. What I recognise as the commonalities in these edge definitions, are 1) a distributed cloud infrastructure (kind of a cloud of clouds) 2) need for automation or everything 3) resource constraints for the control plane. The different edge variants are putting different emphasis on these common needs based ont he use case discussed. To have a more clear understanding of these definitions we could try the following: 1. Always add the definition of these to the given context 2. Check what other groups are using and adopt to that 3. Define our own language and expect everyone else to adopt Br, Gerg0 [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Edge From: Jim Rollenhagen <jim(a)jimrollenhagen.com> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:43 PM To: fulton(a)redhat.com; OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) <openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org> Cc: openstack-sigs(a)lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [FEMDC] [Edge] [tripleo] On the use of terms "Edge" and "Far Edge" On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 4:45 PM John Fulton <johfulto(a)redhat.com<mailto:johfulto@redhat.com>> wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:56 AM Jim Rollenhagen <jim(a)jimrollenhagen.com<mailto:jim@jimrollenhagen.com>> wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:23 AM Dmitry Tantsur <dtantsur(a)redhat.com<mailto:dtantsur@redhat.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Sorry for chiming in really late in this topic, but I think $subj is worth >> discussing until we settle harder on the potentially confusing terminology. >> >> I think the difference between "Edge" and "Far Edge" is too vague to use these >> terms in practice. Think about the "edge" metaphor itself: something rarely has >> several layers of edges. A knife has an edge, there are no far edges. I imagine >> zooming in and seeing more edges at the edge, and then it's quite cool indeed, >> but is it really a useful metaphor for those who never used a strong microscope? :) >> >> I think in the trivial sense "Far Edge" is a tautology, and should be avoided. >> As a weak proof of my words, I already see a lot of smart people confusing these >> two and actually use Central/Edge where they mean Edge/Far Edge. I suggest we >> adopt a different terminology, even if it less consistent with typical marketing >> term around the "Edge" movement. > > > FWIW, we created rough definitions of "edge" and "far edge" during the edge WG session in Denver. > It's mostly based on latency to the end user, though we also talked about quantities of compute resources, if someone can find the pictures. Perhaps these are the pictures Jim was referring to? https://www.dropbox.com/s/255x1cao14taer3/MVP-Architecture_edge-computing_P…<https://www.dropbox.com/s/255x1cao14taer3/MVP-Architecture_edge-computing_P…> That's it, thank you! // jim I'm involved in some TripleO work called the split control plane: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/tripleo-specs/specs/rocky/split-contr… After the PTG I saw that the split control plane was compatible with the type of deployment discussed at the edge WG session in Denver and described the compatibility at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-edge-working-group-split-control-p… > See the picture and table here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Edge_Computing_Group/Edge_Reference_Archite… > >> Now, I don't have really great suggestions. Something that came up in TripleO >> discussions [1] is Core/Hub/Edge, which I think reflects the idea better. > > > I'm also fine with these names, as they do describe the concepts well. :) > > // jim I'm fine with these terms too. In split control plane there's a deployment method for deploying a central site and then deploying remote sites independently. That deployment method could be used to deploy Core/Hub/Edge sites too. E.g. deploy the Core using Heat stack N. Deploy a Hub using stack N+1 and then deploy an Edge using stack N+2 etc. John >> >> I'd be very interested to hear your ideas. >> >> Dmitry >> >> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-edge-mvp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> openstack-sigs mailing list >> openstack-sigs(a)lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-sigs@lists.openstack.org> >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-sigs > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe<http://OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe> > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe<http://OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

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