[Edge-computing] [E] Re: : Connectivity (WAS: Upcoming Work Sessions Schedule - Edge)

Suyash Sinha suyash.sinha at gmail.com
Fri Jan 5 16:32:36 UTC 2018 

Yes. This is what I have been seeing as well.

On Jan 5, 2018 6:54 AM, <beth.cohen at verizon.com> wrote:

> Yes.  That is a common Telco use case!  That is why I am so concerned with
> making sure that it will work as a “mesh” network, because that is one
> major use case.
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> Beth Cohen
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> *From:* Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest) [mailto:
> gergely.csatari at nokia.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 05, 2018 9:04 AM
> *To:* Suyash Sinha <suyash.sinha at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
> *Subject:* [E] Re: [Edge-computing] : Connectivity (WAS: Upcoming Work
> Sessions Schedule - Edge)
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> Hi,
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> You mean that the whole edge cloud is connected via LTE or any other
> mobile network?
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> Br,
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> Gerg0
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> *From:* Suyash Sinha [mailto:suyash.sinha at gmail.com
> <suyash.sinha at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 2, 2018 6:45 PM
> *To:* Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest) <gergely.csatari at nokia.com>
> *Cc:* Claire Massey <claire at openstack.org>; edge-computing at lists.
> openstack.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Edge-computing] Upcoming Work Sessions Schedule - Edge
>
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> Thanks Gergely. very helpful/
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> Based on my experience, there is also an issue of endpoint public IP
> address for the "edge cloudlet". We take the public IP for granted in the
> main datacenter but this may not be the case for edge. The edge cloudlet
> maybe connecting to the rest of the world via a client IP over LTE or other
> network that can change very often.
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> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest) <
> gergely.csatari at nokia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
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> For telco the edge cloud is a necesary tool to bring the computing
> capability close to the end user. This is a must in case of latency
> sensitive applications.
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> The main differences compared to a central cloud are:
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>    - Size is smaller, therefore the relative price of the management of
>    the cloud is expensive (from a 4 node big cloud I would not like to have 3
>    dedicated control nodes)
>    - Location is not central, therefore any management activities which
>    are not remote are very expensive and security should be provided
>    - Cardinality is a lot, therefore automatization of management
>    activities are needed
>    - Workload is very volatile, therefore it should be very fast to start
>    and stop workloads
>    - Workload is roaming, therefore there shold be a way to migrate the
>    context of a workload
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> They are similar with the main clouds in a sense, that:
>
>    - low latency networking and compute are needed
>    - some workloads are delivered as VM images and some are as container
>    images
>    - Resource limits are needed for the applications
>    - Network separation is needed between the applications
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> Br,
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> Gerg0
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> *From:* Suyash Sinha [mailto:suyash.sinha at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 3:21 PM
> *To:* Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest) <gergely.csatari at nokia.com>
> *Cc:* Claire Massey <claire at openstack.org>; edge-computing at lists.
> openstack.org
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Edge-computing] Upcoming Work Sessions Schedule - Edge
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> Gergely - Thanks for the share. What you are suggesting makes sense from a
> structural perspective.
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> I have been studying the edge cloud space and writing on it since 2015 (
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/pushing-cloud-edge-suyash-sinha/
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.linkedin.com_pulse_pushing-2Dcloud-2Dedge-2Dsuyash-2Dsinha_&d=DwMGaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=zSPYRgoBij7eDdloAJpktY4pyBQRGnvgrz_9Wy3fyA4&m=gX2jwSutgBIfQu2nHHAhjJZa3rYxNUUlPklu-B2Wp10&s=O53ZJHGOhUJlXmCKrhNaPamNSX2kjkltt8_yzCNRjlU&e=>)
> . So glad to see the work starting at openstack.
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> For me, the fundamental question that we must start with is "why edge
> cloud". what necessitates it? What are the technical, business and
> ecosystem reasons. What use cases about edge cloud are fundamentally
> different from the "mainframe" cloud? Perhaps, that will better help
> educate us about the structural aspects like VMs and containers etc.
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> Thanks,
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> Suyash
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> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:31 AM, Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest) <
> gergely.csatari at nokia.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> Thanks for the discussions around the user stories. Some follow up
> questions and notes:
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>    - Generic: I tried to use the user story
>    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_User-5Fstory-23Common-5Ftemplates&d=DwMGaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=zSPYRgoBij7eDdloAJpktY4pyBQRGnvgrz_9Wy3fyA4&m=gX2jwSutgBIfQu2nHHAhjJZa3rYxNUUlPklu-B2Wp10&s=NIfeyi9d-8caz65ATde3GIY9WPW-FuG-9hCBmLT_Llo&e=>
>    template, but I think we should add more descriptions becouse I feel the
>    user story format a bit to restrctive to add all information we discussed.
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>    - Definitions: I’ve added four definitions to make the discussion
>    about the user stories more easy. Should we add a definition to „Edge
>    cloud” and/or „Edge cloud infrastructure” also?
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>    - Workload: Several VM or linux containers of any kind
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>    - The whole point of this, is to indicate that we are talking about
>       VM-s and (OCI compliant) containers
>       - Maybe we can change „workload” to „virtualisation container” if
>       you are not very mutch agains using terms from ETSI NFV 😊.
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>    - (Edge Cloud) Infrastructure operator: an organisation responsible
>    for operating an (edge cloud) infrastrucure
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>    - (Edge Cloud) infrastructure user: an organisation or person who is
>    using the (edge cloud) infrastructure services to start workload
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>    - application user: an organisation or person who is using the
>    application services runnig on top of the workloads in the (edge cloud)
>    infrastructure
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>    - User story 1:
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>    - Can someone provide some references to the Glance edge friendly
>       images?
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>    - User story 2:
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>    - From requirements point of view what is the difference between the
>       multiple operator and the single operator case? In both cases there will be
>       a need to transfer user metadata, workload images and realtime memory
>       content between two edge clouds. Do I miss something (accounting maybe)?
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>    - User story 3:
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>    - Should we extend this to contain all FM and PM data and configurable
>       views?
>       - Here I do not see the case when one edge cloud infrastructure
>       operator would be interested in the FM and PM data of an other edge cloud
>       infrastructure operators infrastructure. Can you please explain this a bit?
>       Is this the case when one uber operator uses edge cloud infrastructure
>       sevice from other operators?
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>    - User Story 5:
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>    - In the Kuberentes is deployed directly on bare metal case. OpenStack
>       should only provide the hardware management part and the capability to
>       deploy Kubernetes.
>       - For the Kuberentes deployed in VM-s case: What is the purpose of
>       this? This is benefitial only if there is only an OpenStack what needs to
>       be extended with the capaility to run containers (and still Magnum can
>       deploy COE to bare metal if I remember correctly) or someone would like to
>       run VM-s and contaienr in the same infra.
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>    - The question how to deploy OpenStack to the edge sites is very
>          valid. I think this should be a separate user story. Do we want to deploy
>          OpenStack remotely?
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>    - User Story 7:
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>    - Can someone provide a reference to Mahadev Satyanarayanan-s cloudlet
>       material?
>       - I understand that the different application cases generate
>       different traffic patterns, but what is the differentce in terms of
>       infrastructure requirements?
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>    - User Story 10
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>    - I think the sharing of OpenStack users and tenants is not needed
>       between operators. Maybe I’m totally missing this multi operator case, so
>       please explain 😊
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>    - User Story 12
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>    - So here the required functionly is that when a new edge site is
>       built it automaically finds the other clouds in the edge cloud
>       infrastructure and builds up the needed connections? Is it ok to provide an
>       ip address or fqdn as a hint for this or this should be totally automatic?
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> Any comments to anything are welcome 😊
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> Br,
>
> Gerg0
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> *From:* Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:35 PM
> *To:* 'Claire Massey' <claire at openstack.org>; edge-computing at lists.
> openstack.org
> *Subject:* RE: [Edge-computing] Upcoming Work Sessions Schedule - Edge
>
>
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> Hi,
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> I think ont he existing gaps we should collect user stories to a separate
> etherpad, so I sarted just an other one: https://etherpad.openstack.
> org/p/2017_edge_computing_working_sessions_existing_gaps
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__etherpad.openstack.org_p_2017-5Fedge-5Fcomputing-5Fworking-5Fsessions-5Fexisting-5Fgaps&d=DwMGaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=zSPYRgoBij7eDdloAJpktY4pyBQRGnvgrz_9Wy3fyA4&m=gX2jwSutgBIfQu2nHHAhjJZa3rYxNUUlPklu-B2Wp10&s=kE2xubp3axJ_DcZKqj4bJ6ktaWWwF5r3l6V3oYhu6j0&e=>
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> From the user stories we can generate requirements which can be turned
> into implementable pieces after a while 😊
>
>
>
> Br,
>
> Gerg0
>
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> *From:* Claire Massey [mailto:claire at openstack.org <claire at openstack.org>]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 12:24 AM
> *To:* edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Edge-computing] Upcoming Work Sessions Schedule - Edge
>
>
>
> Correction - December *19th *at 9:00am CST. Meeting Link:
> https://zoom.us/j/777719876
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__zoom.us_j_777719876&d=DwMGaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=zSPYRgoBij7eDdloAJpktY4pyBQRGnvgrz_9Wy3fyA4&m=gX2jwSutgBIfQu2nHHAhjJZa3rYxNUUlPklu-B2Wp10&s=MxhNg6oaywDDK7Fjnjc2d4TQP0Ra29h4dCc0td1-9FU&e=>
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> On Dec 18, 2017, at 5:12 PM, Claire Massey <claire at openstack.org> wrote:
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> Quick reminder - we have another community Edge Work Session call tomorrow *Tuesday,
> December 18 at 9:00am CST*.
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> Meeting Link: https://zoom.us/j/777719876
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__zoom.us_j_777719876&d=DwMGaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=zSPYRgoBij7eDdloAJpktY4pyBQRGnvgrz_9Wy3fyA4&m=gX2jwSutgBIfQu2nHHAhjJZa3rYxNUUlPklu-B2Wp10&s=MxhNg6oaywDDK7Fjnjc2d4TQP0Ra29h4dCc0td1-9FU&e=>
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> Etherpad: : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2017_edge_
> computing_working_sessions
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__etherpad.openstack.org_p_2017-5Fedge-5Fcomputing-5Fworking-5Fsessions&d=DwMGaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=zSPYRgoBij7eDdloAJpktY4pyBQRGnvgrz_9Wy3fyA4&m=gX2jwSutgBIfQu2nHHAhjJZa3rYxNUUlPklu-B2Wp10&s=ntQsUuqblcc5cbBuI3JS2qnKbWj3l6Rdz2fO_YBfi3I&e=>
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> We look forward to chatting with you all then. Thanks!
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> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Claire Massey <claire at openstack.org> wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
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> Quick reminder that we have another community Edge Work Session call
> tomorrow, Tuesday, at 9:00am CST.
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> Meeting Link: https://zoom.us/j/777719876
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__zoom.us_j_777719876&d=DwMGaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=zSPYRgoBij7eDdloAJpktY4pyBQRGnvgrz_9Wy3fyA4&m=gX2jwSutgBIfQu2nHHAhjJZa3rYxNUUlPklu-B2Wp10&s=MxhNg6oaywDDK7Fjnjc2d4TQP0Ra29h4dCc0td1-9FU&e=>
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>
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> Etherpad: : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2017_edge_
> computing_working_sessions
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__etherpad.openstack.org_p_2017-5Fedge-5Fcomputing-5Fworking-5Fsessions&d=DwMGaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=zSPYRgoBij7eDdloAJpktY4pyBQRGnvgrz_9Wy3fyA4&m=gX2jwSutgBIfQu2nHHAhjJZa3rYxNUUlPklu-B2Wp10&s=ntQsUuqblcc5cbBuI3JS2qnKbWj3l6Rdz2fO_YBfi3I&e=>
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> We look forward to chatting with you all then.
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> Thanks,
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> Claire
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> On Nov 29, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Claire Massey <claire at openstack.org> wrote:
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> Thank you to everyone who attended the first edge work session call
> yesterday!
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>
> Records from the meeting:
>
>  * Etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2017_edge_
> computing_working_sessions
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__etherpad.openstack.org_p_2017-5Fedge-5Fcomputing-5Fworking-5Fsessions&d=DwMGaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=zSPYRgoBij7eDdloAJpktY4pyBQRGnvgrz_9Wy3fyA4&m=gX2jwSutgBIfQu2nHHAhjJZa3rYxNUUlPklu-B2Wp10&s=ntQsUuqblcc5cbBuI3JS2qnKbWj3l6Rdz2fO_YBfi3I&e=>
>
>  * Audio recording of the November 28 meeting: https://zoom.us/
> recording/play/t_XmAP-VK1RRGKhy_Epb4TF57rlOIM1gkd9qvJQ18G9eidj
> hBS-UHprOzCjA6NSB
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__zoom.us_recording_play_t-5FXmAP-2DVK1RRGKhy-5FEpb4TF57rlOIM1gkd9qvJQ18G9eidjhBS-2DUHprOzCjA6NSB&d=DwMGaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=zSPYRgoBij7eDdloAJpktY4pyBQRGnvgrz_9Wy3fyA4&m=gX2jwSutgBIfQu2nHHAhjJZa3rYxNUUlPklu-B2Wp10&s=wiB1INTtk90DO6DdyqotuCMlURdqEB_MQMg_bYQ5EKc&e=>
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> During the meeting we established three focus areas for work to be done:
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> - OpenStack existing gaps
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> - Cross-community efforts
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> - Potential new project needs
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> Volunteers have signed up to help lead these efforts. More details and
> next steps will soon be shared on the mailing list as well as the
> opportunity for others to get involved.
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> The next edge work session call will be on Tuesday, December 12, at 9:00am
> CST (15:00 UTC) at https://zoom.us/j/777719876
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__zoom.us_j_777719876&d=DwMGaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=zSPYRgoBij7eDdloAJpktY4pyBQRGnvgrz_9Wy3fyA4&m=gX2jwSutgBIfQu2nHHAhjJZa3rYxNUUlPklu-B2Wp10&s=MxhNg6oaywDDK7Fjnjc2d4TQP0Ra29h4dCc0td1-9FU&e=>
> .
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> Thanks,
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> Claire
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> On Nov 26, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Claire Massey <claire at openstack.org> wrote:
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> Hi there,
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> Welcome to the new Edge-Computing mailing list!
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>
> Starting this week the OpenStack Foundation will host a series of work
> sessions to pick up on the progress made at the OpenDev event in September
> [0] and the Edge Use Cases & Architecture forum session [1] at the Sydney
> Summit. The goal for the work sessions is to end 2017 with a clear set of
> edge operational requirements and documentation (there’s a whitepaper
> already in the works).
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> [0] http://www.opendevconf.com/schedule/
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> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OS_Sydney_edge_computing_use_cases
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