[Edge-computing] Edge-computing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18

prakash RAMCHANDRAN pramchan at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 13 17:01:22 UTC 2018


Jess,

I had added to ether pad set earlier set by Arkady for edge use case.
Can you send the doodle poll to people listed therein who are not included herein.

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/edge-use-case
  
Thanks
Prakash

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Today's Topics:

  1. Use Case Studies (Jess Lampe)
  2. Berlin Summit CFP Deadline July 17 (Claire Massey)
  3. Re: 答复:  答复:  Clarification of Requirements
      (Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest))
  4. Re: 答复:  答复:  Clarification of Requirements
      (Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com)


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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:02:49 -0700
From: Jess Lampe <jess.lampe at gmail.com>
To: "edge-computing at lists.openstack.org"
    <edge-computing at lists.openstack.org>
Subject: [Edge-computing] Use Case Studies
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*Goal of Use Case Sub Groups*

  - Capture known use cases in the
  - Continue to add new use cases as they are discovered.
  - Derive known use cases from captured use cases and add to story board.

*Doodle for Standing Meeting*
I added a doodle for available times.

https://doodle.com/poll/wnmmstbrtmfgw5yc

*Ongoing requests*

  - If you have a known use case, please add it to the use case wiki.
  <https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Edge_Computing_Group/case_studies>
  - If you have an expert who would like to speak on a use case (like
  Giovanni did today, please sign up on the etherpad
  <https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/edge-use-case>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 12:26:15 -0500
From: Claire Massey <claire at openstack.org>
To: edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
Subject: [Edge-computing] Berlin Summit CFP Deadline July 17
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Hi everyone,

The Call for Presentations <https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/call-for-presentations/> is open for the Berlin Summit <https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/>, November 13-15. The deadline to submit your presentation is July 17.

At the Vancouver Summit, we focused on open infrastructure integration as the Summit has evolved over the years to cover more than just OpenStack. We had over 30 different projects from the open infrastructure community join, including Kubernetes, Docker, Ansible, OpenShift and many more. 

The Tracks were organized around specific use cases and will remain the same for Berlin with the addition of Hands on Workshops as its own dedicated Track. We encourage you to submit presentations covering the open infrastructure tools you’re using, as well as the integration work needed to address these use cases. We also encourage you to invite peers from other open source communities to speak and collaborate.

The Tracks are:

    • CI/CD
    • Container Infrastructure
    • Edge Computing
    • Hands on Workshops
    • HPC / GPU / AI
    • Open Source Community
    • Private & Hybrid Cloud
    • Public Cloud
    • Telecom & NFV

Community voting, the first step in building the Summit schedule, will open in mid July. Once community voting concludes, a Programming Committee for each Track will build the schedule. Programming Committees are made up of individuals from many different open source communities working in open infrastructure, in addition to people who have participated in the past.

If you’re interested in nominating yourself or someone else to be a member of the Summit Programming Committee for a specific Track, please fill out the  nomination form <https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/openstackberlin2018_programmingcommitteenom>. Nominations will close on June 28.

Again, the deadline to  submit proposals <https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/call-for-presentations/> is July 17. Please note topic submissions for the OpenStack Forum (planning/working sessions with OpenStack devs and operators) will open at a later date. The Early Bird registration <https://openstacksummit2018berlin.eventbrite.com/> deadline will be in mid August.

We’re working hard to make it the best Summit yet, and look forward to bringing together different open infrastructure communities to solve these hard problems together. 

Want to provide feedback on this process? Please focus discussion on the openstack-community mailing list, or contact the Summit Team directly at summit at openstack.org <mailto:summit at openstack.org>.

Thanks,
Claire


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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:22:34 +0000
From: "Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest)"
    <gergely.csatari at nokia.com>
To: "Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com" <Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com>,
    "fuqiao at chinamobile.com" <fuqiao at chinamobile.com>,
    "paul-andre.raymond at b-yond.com" <paul-andre.raymond at b-yond.com>,
    "lebre.adrien at free.fr" <lebre.adrien at free.fr>,
    "edge-computing at lists.openstack.org"
    <edge-computing at lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [Edge-computing] 答复:  答复:  Clarification of
    Requirements
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Hi, 

Should we add these to the Deployment Scenarions section of the Dublin wiki [1]?

[1]: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Edge_Discussions_Dublin_PTG#Deployment_Scenarios

Br, 
Gerg0

-----Original Message-----
From: Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com [mailto:Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 4:49 PM
To: fuqiao at chinamobile.com; paul-andre.raymond at b-yond.com; lebre.adrien at free.fr; edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [Edge-computing] 答复: 答复: Clarification of Requirements

It is more than just nova to keystone.
We also need to consider at least neutron, glance and cinder also.

-----Original Message-----
From: Fu Qiao [mailto:fuqiao at chinamobile.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:21 AM
To: 'Paul-Andre Raymond'; lebre.adrien at free.fr; edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
Subject: [Edge-computing] 答复: 答复: Clarification of Requirements

Yes, 5ms is one way. But this is an assumption based on the network from China Mobile. The latency will be defer if you have different distance, but the calculation method is the same apparently.

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: Paul-Andre Raymond [mailto:paul-andre.raymond at b-yond.com] 
发送时间: 2018年6月6日 21:19
收件人: Fu Qiao <fuqiao at chinamobile.com>; lebre.adrien at free.fr; edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
主题: Re: [Edge-computing] 答复: Clarification of Requirements

Should we separate two kinds of latency requirements:
    - Federation Latency: i.e Central Keystone to Local Keystone 
    - API latency: i.e.  Edge Nova to local Keystone

Should we measure it one way or Round Trip? I assume the 5ms below is one way.

 
Paul-André
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On 6/6/18, 5:13 AM, "Fu Qiao" <fuqiao at chinamobile.com> wrote:

    Thank you Adrien. I was just about the reply with more details.
    
    About latency, this as I understand is actually decided mostly by the distance of the distributed cloud. So it actually decided by where exactly the location Keystone would like to deploy, and what is the distance expectation. Like what I explain in my presentation, we plan to have keystone sitting in the city level to control multi cloud in counties, and the latency will be around 5ms. But again this is a certain situation for China Mobile. And other operators may make the conlusion on a different structure. Another thing we can do is work on simulation and testing and see what kind of latency the current keystone federation scheme can tolerant. This will help the operators to work out there structure as well. 
    
    About bandwidth, the impression for me is we could expect more than 50GB of bandwidth for edge for 5G. And I think that is enough for most of the app.
    
    Hope this will help.
    
    -----邮件原件-----
    发件人: lebre.adrien at free.fr [mailto:lebre.adrien at free.fr] 
    发送时间: 2018年6月6日 15:25
    收件人: edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
    主题: Re: [Edge-computing] Clarification of Requirements
    
    It is rather difficult to give numbers because there are several use-cases. 
    However, a good starting point can be to give a look to the presentation Qiao Fu gave during the Vancouver summit: https://www.openstack.org/videos/vancouver-2018/edge-tic-future-edge-cloud-for-china-mobile
    There is a lot of numbers regarding the infrastructure China Mobile is envisioning. 
    
    Hope this helps. 
    ad_ri3n_
    PS: I cannot attend the meeting  yesterday unfortunately but I'm wondering whether the disconnection aspects have been discussed (i.e. the fact that one site can be completely isolated for a certain period of time  due to network disconnections). 
    
    ----- Mail original -----
    > De: "Jess Lampe" <jess.lampe at gmail.com>
    > À: edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
    > Envoyé: Mercredi 6 Juin 2018 07:00:31
    > Objet: [Edge-computing] Clarification of Requirements
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > During the call today, members of the Glance and Keystone teams 
    > requested clarity on the following areas:
    > 
    > 
    > 
    >    * Latency - what are the specific latency requirements that need
    >    to be met?
    >    * Bandwidth towards the edge - similarly, what are the
    >    limitations of bandwidth at the edge that we can expect?
    >    * Security - what are the specific security considerations that
    >    need to be?
    > 
    > 
    > Please feel free to A.) contribute additional areas that need 
    > clarifying B.) clarify any of the added.
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
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    > Edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:24:09 +0000
From: <Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com>
To: <gergely.csatari at nokia.com>, <fuqiao at chinamobile.com>,
    <paul-andre.raymond at b-yond.com>, <lebre.adrien at free.fr>,
    <edge-computing at lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [Edge-computing] 答复:  答复:  Clarification of
    Requirements
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Gerg0,
I think these 3 projects are implied from the wiki requirements.
But it will be good to state projects that may need work explicitly.
Thanks,
Arkady

-----Original Message-----
From: Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest) [mailto:gergely.csatari at nokia.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 4:23 AM
To: Kanevsky, Arkady; fuqiao at chinamobile.com; paul-andre.raymond at b-yond.com; lebre.adrien at free.fr; edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
Subject: RE: [Edge-computing] 答复: 答复: Clarification of Requirements

Hi, 

Should we add these to the Deployment Scenarions section of the Dublin wiki [1]?

[1]: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Edge_Discussions_Dublin_PTG#Deployment_Scenarios

Br, 
Gerg0

-----Original Message-----
From: Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com [mailto:Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 4:49 PM
To: fuqiao at chinamobile.com; paul-andre.raymond at b-yond.com; lebre.adrien at free.fr; edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [Edge-computing] 答复: 答复: Clarification of Requirements

It is more than just nova to keystone.
We also need to consider at least neutron, glance and cinder also.

-----Original Message-----
From: Fu Qiao [mailto:fuqiao at chinamobile.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:21 AM
To: 'Paul-Andre Raymond'; lebre.adrien at free.fr; edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
Subject: [Edge-computing] 答复: 答复: Clarification of Requirements

Yes, 5ms is one way. But this is an assumption based on the network from China Mobile. The latency will be defer if you have different distance, but the calculation method is the same apparently.

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: Paul-Andre Raymond [mailto:paul-andre.raymond at b-yond.com] 
发送时间: 2018年6月6日 21:19
收件人: Fu Qiao <fuqiao at chinamobile.com>; lebre.adrien at free.fr; edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
主题: Re: [Edge-computing] 答复: Clarification of Requirements

Should we separate two kinds of latency requirements:
    - Federation Latency: i.e Central Keystone to Local Keystone 
    - API latency: i.e.  Edge Nova to local Keystone

Should we measure it one way or Round Trip? I assume the 5ms below is one way.

 
Paul-André
--
 

On 6/6/18, 5:13 AM, "Fu Qiao" <fuqiao at chinamobile.com> wrote:

    Thank you Adrien. I was just about the reply with more details.
    
    About latency, this as I understand is actually decided mostly by the distance of the distributed cloud. So it actually decided by where exactly the location Keystone would like to deploy, and what is the distance expectation. Like what I explain in my presentation, we plan to have keystone sitting in the city level to control multi cloud in counties, and the latency will be around 5ms. But again this is a certain situation for China Mobile. And other operators may make the conlusion on a different structure. Another thing we can do is work on simulation and testing and see what kind of latency the current keystone federation scheme can tolerant. This will help the operators to work out there structure as well. 
    
    About bandwidth, the impression for me is we could expect more than 50GB of bandwidth for edge for 5G. And I think that is enough for most of the app.
    
    Hope this will help.
    
    -----邮件原件-----
    发件人: lebre.adrien at free.fr [mailto:lebre.adrien at free.fr] 
    发送时间: 2018年6月6日 15:25
    收件人: edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
    主题: Re: [Edge-computing] Clarification of Requirements
    
    It is rather difficult to give numbers because there are several use-cases. 
    However, a good starting point can be to give a look to the presentation Qiao Fu gave during the Vancouver summit: https://www.openstack.org/videos/vancouver-2018/edge-tic-future-edge-cloud-for-china-mobile
    There is a lot of numbers regarding the infrastructure China Mobile is envisioning. 
    
    Hope this helps. 
    ad_ri3n_
    PS: I cannot attend the meeting  yesterday unfortunately but I'm wondering whether the disconnection aspects have been discussed (i.e. the fact that one site can be completely isolated for a certain period of time  due to network disconnections). 
    
    ----- Mail original -----
    > De: "Jess Lampe" <jess.lampe at gmail.com>
    > À: edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
    > Envoyé: Mercredi 6 Juin 2018 07:00:31
    > Objet: [Edge-computing] Clarification of Requirements
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > During the call today, members of the Glance and Keystone teams 
    > requested clarity on the following areas:
    > 
    > 
    > 
    >    * Latency - what are the specific latency requirements that need
    >    to be met?
    >    * Bandwidth towards the edge - similarly, what are the
    >    limitations of bandwidth at the edge that we can expect?
    >    * Security - what are the specific security considerations that
    >    need to be?
    > 
    > 
    > Please feel free to A.) contribute additional areas that need 
    > clarifying B.) clarify any of the added.
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > _______________________________________________
    > Edge-computing mailing list
    > Edge-computing at lists.openstack.org
    > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/edge-computing
    >
    
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